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		<title>Paul and the Gospel of Thomas (Part III)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Skinner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first potential Paul-Thomas parallel we will examine is Gos. Thom. 3 and Rom 10:5-8. Gos. Thom. 3 Rom 10:5-8 Jesus said, ‘If your leaders say to you, “Look, the kingdom is in the sky,” then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, “It is in the sea,” then [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=pejeiesous.com&#038;blog=9271576&#038;post=462&#038;subd=christopherwskinner&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:left;">The first potential Paul-<em>Thomas</em> parallel we will examine is <em>Gos. Thom</em>. 3 and Rom 10:5-8.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>Gos. Thom</em>. 3</span></em></p>
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<td width="319" valign="top">Jesus said, ‘If your leaders say to you, “Look, the   kingdom is in the sky,” then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they   say to you, “It is in the sea,” then the fish will precede you. Rather, the   kingdom is within you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then   you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the   living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty,   and you are the poverty.’</td>
<td width="319" valign="top"><sup>5</sup> Moses   writes concerning the righteousness that comes from the law, that ‘the person   who does these things will live by them.’ <sup>6 </sup>But the   righteousness that comes from faith says, ‘Do not say in your heart, “Who   will ascend into heaven?”’ (that is, to bring Christ down) <sup>7 </sup>‘or “Who will   descend into the abyss?”’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). <sup>8 </sup>But what does   it say? ‘The word is near you, on your lips and in your heart’</td>
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<p style="text-align:left;">On the surface there does not seem to be much to commend the view that these two passages share a common heritage. The context associated with each saying is quite different as Paul is focused on righteousness and its relationship to Torah while <em>Thomas</em> is interested in expounding the nature of the kingdom. There are a few verbal similarities, but how far can they be pressed? A potentially illuminating observation is that both Paul and <em>Thomas</em> seem to be adapting or borrowing from a tradition influenced by Deut 30:12-14.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">As far back as 1969, Peter Nagel sought to draw a connection between Rom 10:5-8 and <em>Gos. Thom</em>. 3. In an article simply titled, ‘Considerations on the <em>Gospel of Thomas</em>’ (‘Erwägungen zum Thomas-Evangelium’) Nagel began his discussion of this potential parallel by commenting on Paul’s use of Lev 18:5 and Deut 30:12-14 in Rom 10:5-8. He then noted similar terminology and themes in <em>Gos. Thom</em>. 3. Nagel identified four changes that Paul made in incorporating these Pentateuchal texts into his argument: (1) Paul has replaced the Deuteronomic, ‘between heaven and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">beyond</span></em> the sea’ with the dichotomy ‘in heaven’/‘<em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">in</span></em> the abyss’ (<em>eis ten abysson</em>); (2) In Deut 30, attempting to obtain the command from heaven or beyond the sea is futile, while for Paul, these questions are refuted in light of the consequences that would result from them; (3) Paul adds the benefit that one is blessed through confession and belief, an element missing from Deut 30; and (4) Paul wants to connect ‘confess’ with the mouth and ‘believe’ with the heart. Following these observations Nagel examines the similar use of Deut 30 in <em>Gos. Thom</em>. 3 and notes that certain elements peculiar to Paul’s use of this OT tradition are also present in the <em>Thomas</em> logion. Specifically, <em>Thomas</em> also changes ‘beyond the sea’ to ‘in the sea’ (the Coptic reads <em>hn thalassa</em> and the Greek Oxyrhynchus fragment reads <em>ten thala[ssen]</em>). For Nagel, the presence of this change in both <em>Thomas</em> and Romans, and its absence in all other extant versions of the saying, means that Paul and <em>Thomas</em> are sharing a common tradition. He concludes that <em>Gos. Thom.</em> 3 is an older version of the saying, adding that the Thomasine text must have been in Paul’s consciousness when he wrote his letter to the Romans.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Similarly, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Das-Thomasevangelium-Zeitschrift-Neutestamentliche-Wissenschaft/dp/3110202468/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1267537544&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">Simon Gathercole</a> recognizes the use of Deut 30 by Paul and <em>Thomas</em> and asks, ‘[D]oes <em>GThom</em> employ Deut in a reasonably direct way, or is <em>Deut</em> 30 mediated to <em>GThom</em> through a pre-existing interpretative tradition?’ Like Nagel, he observes that all of the pre-Pauline interpretations of Deut 30:13 (including the LXX, <em>Baruch</em>, and Philo) retain ‘a contrast between “up in heaven” and “across the sea”’, while Paul and <em>Thomas</em> both ‘contrast the heaven above with what is <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">below</span></em>’ (p. 80). Gathercole concludes, like Nagel before him, that this is likely an instance of shared tradition, though he argues that the direction of influence goes from Paul to <em>Thomas</em> and not the other way around as Nagel suggests.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">The observations made by Nagel and Gathercole are compelling but are they enough to demonstrate that this is an instance where Paul and <em>Thomas</em> share a common tradition? We will attempt to answer this question further in our next post.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Skinner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My three children, like their father before them, are big fans of the Scooby-Doo franchise. Every morning while they eat breakfast and wait for the school bus to arrive, they sit at the table and watch reruns of late 60s / early 70s episodes (and they know all the words to the opening song too). Like [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=pejeiesous.com&#038;blog=9271576&#038;post=188&#038;subd=christopherwskinner&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My three children, like their father before them, are big fans of the Scooby-Doo franchise. Every morning while they eat breakfast and wait for the school bus to arrive, they sit at the table and watch reruns of late 60s / early 70s episodes (and they know all the words to the opening song too). Like them, I used to watch Scooby and the gang with visions of becoming a mystery solver when I grew up. To some degree, I guess that&#8217;s what I spend my days doing, as do others who are involved in writing about and discussing Christian origins and the nature of the different Jesus-sayings traditions. It&#8217;s a little disappointing to realize that we have (by comparison) an astonishingly low rate of mystery-solving success. Perhaps a Scooby snack will provide the sustenance I need for today (or at least some breakfast, I&#8217;m starving).</p>
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